Hello federated world!

[Mel]

That’s exactly what I was wondering! The consent issue with federation.

1. Is it always clear that people are replying to a forum, instead of a post?
2. If people delete their Masto post (or have an auto-delete), does that deletion federate to the forum?

I love the possibilities with AP, but been wondering about that aspect. Will join the Discourse Discourse in a bit, just trying to switch my brain off for the evening

[icaria36]

@Mel I don't know how accurate Mastodon > Discourse federation is. Let's check. Now I'm icaria36-Mastodon. I'm replying to you, but I'm going to regret.

First I will check if this reply appears on TSMN.

EDIT: Yes, it appeared instantly.

If it does, I will edit this post, and see whether the TSMN version changes as well.

Then, I will delete this post , check whether it is deleted in TSMN, and report back.

[icaria36]

@icaria36

If it does, I will edit this post, and see whether the TSMN version changes as well.

Yes, my edit appeared here also instantly, but when I deleted my post on Mastodon… I got a 404 on Mastodon, as far as I can see the post is deleted there, but it remains here, as you can see above.

[unspeaker]

@icaria36

Moderators may be able to act in serious cases, but it is not sustainable to offer a service à la carte in a scenario with many topics federated and many users commenting

Absolutely!

But “de-federating” federated replies isn’t obvious. Maybe deleting your own reply? Moving it to another thread? Not sure.

I was thinking more an of an indicator in the reply form that the post is going to be broadcast to Fedi – and having a toggle to opt out from doing that in the first place. Once it’s out, I realize all bets are off!

I’m able to find that account from my Mastodon account, and then find the opening post and the replies. I just wish there was an easier way.

Same…

Still having occasional issues looking up posts by URL from Mastodon – while it keeps working without a hitch from Misskey

[icaria36]

@Mel

Is it always clear that people are replying to a forum, instead of a post?

Surely not, but… Is it always clear on Mastodon that you are replying to… a Pixelfed, PeerTube, Funkwhale, etc? Does it matter? You are replying to a federated conversation, and federated things will happen (hopefully).

[icaria36]

@unspeaker

I was thinking more an of an indicator in the reply form that the post is going to be broadcast to Fedi – and having a toggle to opt out from doing that in the first place.

There is a mix of permissions in play, but leaving that out… The topic opener does have 5 minutes to react (edit, delete, not-federate…) after posting. But the replies are instantaneous. This makes sense considering that the setting is “federate all posts”. There is no setting for “federate all posts but give 5 minutes to each person replying”.

[unspeaker]

I mean one, say, here, next to the reply button, to be selected before the reply is submitted for the first time.

It’s not about the being-able-to-walk-it-back-ness, only about the per-reply-ness. But if there ain’t, there ain’t…

[Mel]

@icaria36

Surely not, but… Is it always clear on Mastodon that you are replying to… a Pixelfed, PeerTube, Funkwhale, etc? Does it matter? You are replying to a federated conversation, and federated things will happen (hopefully).

I guess there are a number of consent issues here:

• does the poster want their reply to be searchable on the internet, in a forum
• are they running a privacy-conscious AP server? Where they might otherwise reasonably expect their replies to not be searchable on the internet
• are private or followers-only posts federated
• the deletion issue: which you’ve tested above!

I’ll dive into it later on the Discourse Discourse. Low on spoons to make another account right at this minute lol…

Definitely worth exploring those issues and trying to fix where possible, so we can continue to enjoy this delicious AP federation situation

[setto1]

@icaria36@the.socialmusic.network
henlo? possible from misskey, yes? izgood or no good?

[setto1]

@icaria36@the.socialmusic.network
reply to non-OP no good if remove the handle... Festival de Cannes i replaille to a non-OP if i remouve ze handleur?

[setto1]

@icaria36@the.socialmusic.network will ze robot read my followeurs only correos?

[anon15453463]

super cool! but wonky, as expected! I’m sure there will be a consensus on all this in some 16 years!

Not possible to follow users from misskey
Doesnt’ respect deletion or privacy setting

oh well, It’s world wild web out there! One doesn’t simply keep secret (or sanity) on a highway of information… dun dun duuuuuun!

[anon15453463]

setto1 on da mic
not two not three, just the one you like!
folla me where
folla me there
a wild web out here!

yo, TSMN RAP!

[icaria36]

@anon15453463 (and anyone else reading this), your feedback about how TSMN should use ActivityPub and federation is welcome on Federating The Social Music Network - #12 by icaria36.

[anon15453463]

rumor is, after setto ruthlessly attacked setto1 in a freestyle rap, setto1 rage quit and moved back with their mom

[unspeaker]

@sknob

seems it takes a while to federate

It does, doesn’t it Maybe the admins on either side peeking into the server logs would shed some light?

@sknob

and I need to go to the first message to see the others

So replies from Discourse to a federated topic don’t show in the feed? Sounds like a bit of a problem…

(Unless it’s due to the recent switching on and off of federation while this space is figuring out whether the available privacy mechanisms are sufficient? Then it’s still a problem, but not a whole new one)